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Poster: stratocaster Date: Aug 25, 2013 10:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Aye, the legend of Boreal Ridge, enter at your own peril...bwahahahahahaha!

Somewhere between Botany Bay and Davey Jones Locker lies the legend of Boreal Ridge. Billed as the Highest Elevation show in the history of the Grateful Dead, this show is also notorious for being called the "Worst Grateful Dead show ever". Certainly, the heat, the dust and the hellish traffic jam on the single lane in all contributed, however it was the elevated stage placement (see the photo below), the equipment gremlins, the wind blowing the sound away, a very crabby Jerry and some downright brutal playing that push this show to this distinction.

On tape, you will find that the show follows in much the same way as your typical 1985 show. Speedy with very little presence of a groove come to mind. I will say that I like the China Catr, even though it is bum rushed through Rider, there is no continuity in this show and no "jam' to speak of, ...while I've attended some pretty awful shows myself (don't try to hide 05-19-1995, I see you) this show is like going to prom with a hot chick only for her to get hives and puke on your tux...now for the positive,the Black Peter is out of synch the Lovelight is a hot mess and Day Tripper is painful...in reality, Boreal Ridge may be the worst show of the 80s, however Garcia performance wise, it's not as bad as Vegas 6-25-94 or the Highgate show of 95

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1985-08-24.sbd.walker-scotton.miller.106195.flac16

Set 1

Alabama Getaway-> Greatest Story Ever Told, West L.A. Fadeaway, Minglewood Blues, Friend Of The Devil, Hell In A Bucket-> Don't Ease Me In

Set 2

Feel Like A Stranger-> China Cat Sunflower-> I Know You Rider, He's Gone-> Drums-> Truckin'-> Black Peter-> Around & Around-> Turn On Your Love Light, E: Day Tripper

http://reno.metromix.com/content_image/thumbnail/3x4/223/1213238




This post was modified by stratocaster on 2013-08-25 17:10:25

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Poster: Jack o' Roses Date: Aug 25, 2013 5:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: I trust Charlie's review

from 106195:
"Reviewer: CharlieMiller - 4.00 out of 5 stars4.00 out of 5 stars4.00 out of 5 stars4.00 out of 5 stars - February 28, 2010
Subject: Good Show!!!
I don't know why anyone would call this the worst show ever. It's a good show."

[Unlike SHSammy,I don't think he's an impostor Charlie.

I mean- I saw 5 summer '86 shows....]

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Poster: GerryO Date: Aug 25, 2013 9:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I trust Charlie's review

Need some seeders to hear a lossless version of this show.

Thanks!

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Nothing at bt.etree or LL, but 13 seeders over at DIME.

This post was modified by GerryO on 2013-08-26 04:07:38

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Poster: huntr Date: Aug 24, 2013 10:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Aye, the legend of Boreal Ridge, enter at your own peril...bwahahahahahaha!

2nd set was one of the first tapes I ever had...

I had no clue it was the worst show ever until the internet came around..

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Poster: reviewr Date: Aug 24, 2013 9:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Aye, the legend of Boreal Ridge, enter at your own peril...bwahahahahahaha!

I don't know this show, but I LOVE the negative review!
If you read what most people think about most shows, the band could do no wrong - not helpful at all.
The truth is...
Some shows are awesome, some great, some good, some not worth your time.
Too many get good reviews! And, I don't care if you were there.

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Poster: ColdRain108 Date: Aug 26, 2013 8:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Aye, the legend of Boreal Ridge, enter at your own peril...bwahahahahahaha!

Funny thing...I was at this show and I never had such a good time at such a crappy show.

I never bothered to listen to the recording as my experience was that the show sucked sonically and musically.

Many years later I decided to give it a listen and it was not nearly as bad as it sounded when it happened - not great but not quite as disjointed and boring as my P"E"D influenced mind remembered it as being. There should probably be a check box where you mark if you were at the show as it does indeed change the perspective of the review. Give the readers of the review just one more tid bit of info to decide whether they want the show or not.

I had a blast hanging around the parking lot for the next 6 hours as they unfolded the massive traffic disaster, then we camped in the woods only to be awoken by two camo garbed bow hunters walking through our camp in the morning, we offered them a wake and bake opportunity, but they declined.

Damn, I miss those crazy nights after a show...

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Aug 25, 2013 10:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Boreal Ridge, enter at your own peril. Are some reviews more valid than others?

I get so sick of people who somehow feel that some people's opinions are superior to others. They are just that, opinions, and musical opinions are strictly subjective.

So the opinion of someone who was actually there and experienced the show is unimportant? Why, because they're somehow biased? Or is it that you don't think that the fact they were there has any bearing on the validity of their opinion? Maybe the thousands of people who saw a show should just recuse themselves from reviewing it because their opinion is formed in part by their experience. Do you think that attending a show makes it impossible for you to evaluate it from a listener's POV? You might as well say you don't want to hear reviews from people who like '90's Dead, or don't like Space, or Jerry's MIDI, Brent's tinkly keyboards, or those who think that they peaked in '72 or anything else.

Having attended is just one of many factors that contribute to how a particular reviewer feels about the show and informs their opinion. Perhaps we should just limit reviews to people who have never heard the Dead so we can get a review based purely on the music. But wait, that wouldn't work. What if they don't like the blues, or if they don't like long jams, that would be biased as well.

At least when someone mentions that they were at a show, you know that is a factor in their review and you can use that knowledge to help form your own opinion. And to suggest that people who attended a particular show always give great reviews is false. I have read many unflattering reviews from folks who were there.

Reviews are not there to be the final say on a show, They are there to give you an idea of what people think about it.

Your name suggests to me that you take yourself, and reviews of 18 year old shows, way too seriously. I don't know and I don't care if you make your living writing reviews, they are no more valid than anyone else's. I know there are many Dead Heads who really like this show and listen to it. Are you going to tell me that they are wrong?

A musical review is ultimately an opinion that is influenced by many factors, including the state of mind the reviewer is in when he/she listened to or reviewed. Having experienced the show will naturally affect how you feel about it.

Personally, I think there should be more reviews from more points of view on every show.



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Poster: Skobud Date: Aug 25, 2013 7:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Aye, the legend of Boreal Ridge, enter at your own peril...bwahahahahahaha!

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